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SOT · Sep 08, 2005, 01:21 AM // 01:21

After detailed analysis of all the teams, careful scientific scrutiny of the laws of averages, stats, and physics, I have come to the conclusion that it will be the ADVERTISEMENTS DURING HALFTIME that will win the prize

Aniewiel · Sep 08, 2005, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by SOT

After detailed analysis of all the teams, careful scientific scrutiny of the laws of averages, stats, and physics, I have come to the conclusion that it will be the ADVERTISEMENTS DURING HALFTIME that will win the prize

ROFLMAO! Preach on, Brother SOT! The last few years when I didn't give a rip which team won since I hated them both, I watched the SB ONLY for the ads during the game.

I am a rabid football fanatic....my poor husband is a football widower from Friday-Monday and I watch as much for the ads as for the great gridiron action.

Guillaume De Sonoma · Sep 08, 2005, 03:34 AM // 03:34

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ROFLMAO! Preach on, Brother SOT! The last few years when I didn't give a rip which team won since I hated them both, I watched the SB ONLY for the ads during the game.

So true that is why most people watch the superbowl.

Arturo02 · Sep 08, 2005, 06:22 AM // 06:22

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I do agree with ONE point that ty3c mentions: 2 in a row with the potential for a third isn't a dynasty. Dynasties are created when win their fourth as past "dynasties" did (i.e. Cowboys, Packers, Niners, etc.).

what about three out of the last four?

You can't include the Packers in that argument as they only won three Super Bowls and two of the wins were back in the 60's.

And let's talk about four wins being a dynasty. Three teams have four or more wins: SF, Dallas, and Pittsburgh. The Niners won in 82, 85, 89, 90, and 95. The Steelers won in 75 and 76, and again in 79, and 80. Dallas in 78, 93, 94, and 96, and also has won three out of four.

With the exception of the Cowboys, note the other two teams won a couple then has a few years before they won a few more. This is not a destiny.

And the reason why GB, SF, and Dal were so nasty in the 90's was because they built their teams to beat each other. They knew in order to get to the big one they had to win against these teams.

Eventually the salary cap got the better of all of them, and a system like the Pats use would eventually become the model.

They don't shove it in your face, they go about their business. But I guess everyone likes to be a hater when it comes to success, even when you deserve it.

Arturo02 · Sep 08, 2005, 06:33 AM // 06:33

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

ROFLMAO! Preach on, Brother SOT! The last few years when I didn't give a rip which team won since I hated them both, I watched the SB ONLY for the ads during the game.

I am a rabid football fanatic....my poor husband is a football widower from Friday-Monday and I watch as much for the ads as for the great gridiron action.

how can you be a rabid football fan and not care about the Superbowl? Only three games in the last ten have been blowouts and most weren't decided until the fourth quarter. Four out of the last six were decided on the final drive of the game.

Anyone who is a true NFL fan has been in heaven for the last decade.

Edge Martinez · Sep 08, 2005, 08:01 AM // 08:01

I agree. The Superbowl has been great, and the fact is, anybody can win with the current rules... even Arizona. You have to love the game itself to really appreciate it. To use baseball as an example, I hate the fact that my Yankees choked last year, but watching Boston win and then sweep St. Louis was just amazing. The only time in my life I ever was for Boston was in 1986 when they played the hated Mets. They choked, but guess what? It was amazing.

Arturo is right. The Superbowl has been outstanding for the last ten years. If you love the game you can admit that. Even when the whole boob thing with Janet happened, alot of folks seem to forget that that Superbowl was one of the greatest pro games they ever watched. If the Pats win again, I'll be there the whole time watching it happen. Heck... I'm curious to see how a healthy Carolina team does. No one is even talking about them. I'm even curious to see how Arizona does. Just because of the hurricane I'll be keeping my eyes on New Orleans and be like silently pulling for them when I otherwise wouldn't have cared. Hell, can Big Ben have a perfect season this year?

If you love the game, you'll realize football is doing fine. It really doesn't matter who plays in the big game.

EDIT: Oh yeah... just because... HAHA... WE BEAT MIAMI! If the Noles are only going to win one game this year, beat Miami. Go Go FSU!

SOT · Sep 08, 2005, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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how can you be a rabid football fan and not care about the Superbowl?

Well, imo, if the game itself meant what it used to, and not, 'oh, I wonder what the celebrity will try to pull this year?', I think the fact that the Super Bowl Matters At All would regain its sheen. Until then, it's just another fold-out ad for me to tear along the perforated line and discard like the trash that it is.

Unless of yourse, one is physically there, then its a game again.

Aracos79 · Sep 08, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59

How can the Patriots NOT be a dynasty? Did the Steelers of the 70s do their thing in the era of the salary cap? I think not. Did Lombardi's Packers have to deal with players leaving in free agency? Nope. No team in the history of the league has been as good at scouting and finding personnel than the New England Patriots.

And how can you possibly put down Tom Brady? You can talk about Peyton all you want, but football is about WINNING. It's not about flashy stats, big numbers, and fat endorsement deals. The FACT of the matter is that when you need to win a big game, you want Tom Brady under center. Brady is the best there's ever been in a big game since Montana. No he'll never put up Peyton's stats... but just like Marino and Montana, Peyton will retire with all the records but Brady will have all the Rings.

SOT · Sep 08, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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but football is about WINNING.

Sadly, I feel that is past tense these days.

ty3c · Sep 08, 2005, 04:51 PM // 16:51

no no brady will have my brass knuckles in his face.

Manderlock · Sep 08, 2005, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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How can the Patriots NOT be a dynasty? Did the Steelers of the 70s do their thing in the era of the salary cap? I think not. Did Lombardi's Packers have to deal with players leaving in free agency? Nope. No team in the history of the league has been as good at scouting and finding personnel than the New England Patriots.

And how can you possibly put down Tom Brady? You can talk about Peyton all you want, but football is about WINNING. It's not about flashy stats, big numbers, and fat endorsement deals. The FACT of the matter is that when you need to win a big game, you want Tom Brady under center. Brady is the best there's ever been in a big game since Montana. No he'll never put up Peyton's stats... but just like Marino and Montana, Peyton will retire with all the records but Brady will have all the Rings.

The Pats are not a dynasty yet, however if they win this year they will go down in history.

Its sad but people will remember the TEAM not the quarterback. If Brady dosent start breaking records left and right he will not be remembered. Brady is the smartest QB in the game right now, not the best. That title is Peytons.

Aracos79 · Sep 08, 2005, 05:19 PM // 17:19

I never said Brady was the BEST QB. As far as pure talent and ability you've got Peyton, Culpepper, and McNaab all at the top. Sorry, Ron Mex... er Mick Vick doesn't qualify. He's a glorified running back who thinks he can throw. But you hit the nail right on the head... there is no SMARTER QB in the league than Tom Brady.

They don't need another Super Bowl to be a dynasty. They've already equaled the 90's Cowboys (almost universally accepted as a dynasty) and as I mentioned before, they've done it in a MUCH tougher environment than the dynasties of the past. Lombardi didn't have to manage the salary cap... Chuck Knoll didn't have to worry about Bradshaw leaving as a free agent. The Patriots have had to overcome salary and free agent problems at every turn, and they are STILL on top.

The only thing a third consecutive Super Bowl will do for the Patriots is change their defintion from "dynasty" to "best team ever".

Manderlock · Sep 08, 2005, 05:26 PM // 17:26

O Please you can NOT think that theses big pansys that play now could even step in the shoes of the old greats. The REAL football players played back in the day, now we are stuck abunch of winey Pre Madonnas that cry if they only get paid 4 mil.

No way will they EVER be the best team ever, go undefeated then we will talk.

Aracos79 · Sep 08, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Well it goes completely without saying that today's athletes are overpaid pansies. No doubt about that at all. But even with that said, today's athletes are better ATHLETES. The "good ole boys" you talk about couldn't do half the things today's players are capable of. Go on and ask some of those old boys, even they will admit it. Now if they could catch them... they would lay today's guys out FLAT, no doubt about it.

And how would they not be the best team ever? The Patriots put up a longer winning streak than the undefeated '72 Dolphins. And I hate to beat a dead horse, but Shula didn't have to deal with the salary cap or free agency. Line up those '72 Dolphins with Brady's Patriots and the game would be over by halftime with the Dolphins down by a ton.

No team has ever won three Super Bowls in a row or 4 in 5 years. If they do it, they are best team ever... period.

Arturo02 · Sep 08, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by ty3c

no no brady will have my brass knuckles in his face.

hmmm someone with so much anger towards the Pats has to be an Indy fan.

Billiard · Sep 08, 2005, 06:13 PM // 18:13

The Pats have done so well because they put it together both on defense and on offense. If you look at Dallas, SF, Denver, GB, and even St Louis when they went to Super Bowls, none of them were purely offensive or defensive teams - but rather were good at both. Vikings and Colts were very good offensively last year, but their defenses sucked. Both have made moves in the offseason to bolster that so it might help. Philly is strong both offensively and defensively, Atlanta is good defensively but needs some help on offense. I think those four teams have the best shot at unseating the Pats.

As far as Tom Brady - I agree that he is very similar to Montana. He is far from being physically gifted, but he knows where to put he ball and when - a great decision maker. And he is tough. He was QB at Michigan while I was there and they wouldn't let him throw long passes in the middle of the field because they would get picked off due to his weak arm! And when he tried to run he looked slow and couldn't make a move to save his life. But what he does well is go through his reads quickly and make the right choice. He does this twice as fast as many other pro QBs, which gives him the time to deliver the ball where it needs to go. And he knows what everyone on the field is doing all the time.

DisposableHero · Sep 08, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Go Steelers! Although I doubt they will, GO ANYWAY!

Nick The Nicker · Sep 08, 2005, 07:15 PM // 19:15

The Bears all the way!!!!!!!!!!

I can still dream can't I

Aniewiel · Sep 08, 2005, 07:45 PM // 19:45

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Originally Posted by Arturo02

how can you be a rabid football fan and not care about the Superbowl?

It's easily possible. I haven't cared for the teams in the Superbowl the last couple of years so...meh. I am more of a college football fan at heart. NFL is just frosting on the cake. I find that, in general, the Superbowl is too puffed up on its own importance.

That said, if the Seahawks ever make it in, THEN things will be very different!

Aracos79 · Sep 08, 2005, 08:33 PM // 20:33

My college sucks so bad they aren't even work cheering for, so the pros are all I've got. My dad was a Cowboys fan so I picked up the Cowboys as my team, although they haven't given me anything to cheer for since Aikman retired. Maybe this year will be different... but Drew Bledsoe does NOT fill me with confidence. :P

I cheer for the Patriots because I want to see something that's never been done, and I want to be able to say that I saw it. My dad got to see the '72 Dolphins, and I want to see the Patriots do the impossible and win three straight. That... and I love Tom Brady. I grew up watching Joe Montana and Tom Brady just makes me think so much of Montana. I could watch him play all day long. You can have flashy Peyton, I'll take steady Tom ANY day of the week. Tom Brady FTW!!!